To speak yes it's a very good course. So I'm tired. I know how you feel now so I'm going to bring up today's let's go straight to the motion because I think it's good to when yes, she did, didn't she? And there she is again. Hello. Alright, so she does went to another part of the desert. So today's motion is we should eat less meat. So girls, you'll have to remind me who was affirmative. I'm affirmayou're affirmative. So you're going to say all the reasons why we should eat less meat. And Cassie, you're negative. So let's see here. Cassie, Luna, you're going begin. Affirmative, yes, we should eat less meat. Now, I know in Chinese culture, a little bit like uk culture, you eat a lot of meat. Is that right? Yes. Yes. So we do also. And it's very difficult when it's part of your culture, part of your life, to suddenly not eat meat. So there are reasons that we should think about why it's difficult for some people. But there are also reasons that are equally good about eating less meat. So first of all, I'll do my usual. I'll ask for one reason from each of you. So, Luna, tell me one reason why we should eat less meat. No. Eating rice meat is good for human health. Very good, yes. Better for your health, isn't it? If you can. And it does say less. It doesn't say no meat at all. It just says less, doesn't it? So better for health. And Cassie, why should we not give up or eat less meat? It provides key source of. Such as protein, iron and sink, which is eccal for growth. Very good. So that word is nutrients. Nutrients, nutrition is all the things your body needs, like the vitamins, like you said, the zinc, the protein. Protein helps your muscles grow. Zc, I can't remember what the link c does, but we do need it. So we're all done for researching. But protein is the biggest thing in meat that helps your muscles grow. If you're someone who does a lot of sports, you'll need to eat a lot of protein, as it will. So but you also need a little bit of energy from the carbohydrates. So protein, zinc, and what was the other one you said? Sorry. Second, iron. Yes, you're right about that. Yes, iron is to keep your red blood cells very healthy. And you can become anemic if you don't eat enough meat sometimes, which means your iron levels become very low and you'll get very tired. Okay, so let's begin the lesson. So to convince your audience that you know what you're talking about and to avoid fallacies like we talked about last time, you can't just make a statement and expect them to accept it. So you can't just say meat is bad or meat is good. You'll will need to provide evidence to justify your point, show how you've arrived at your conclusions, and prove that it's based on solid ground. So an argument, sometimes we we don't really like the word argument because argument makes us think of something like arguing with your mom or your dad or your sister, your brother, about going to bed on time, or maybe a sister of brothers taken something of yours and it's really made you angry. Those are arguments that are different. This kind of an argushouldn't be something where you're shouting at each other and something where you're getting upset. It's a debate, so a distinct point supporting your side of the topic. So here's an example. Scores give too much homework. We've talked a little bit about this before. Cassie, what do you think? Scores give too much homework. I don't agree, don't agree, tell me why not? What some schools too much too too too much. Some is just still and her work is good for you. If you don't do homework, the teacher won't know where you where you don't know. Good. So yes, the word that you can use here is consolidate so homework and that that's what you're trying to say. I think when you when you get home and if there's something you didn't really understand in class, sometimes you'll look at it again for homework and you go, Oh, I understand it now because you have you have been listening and it's only until later, Oh, I understand it now. And that's called consolidation. So homework helps you to consolidate your learning because that little extra bit of, Oh, I've had some time away now. I'm looking at it now. I understand what the teacher was talking about. Okay, so Oh, that's way too bright, isn't it? There's Cassie. What do you think Luna schools give too much? I think lots of school give too much homework because. I have a friend, she says her school has lots of homework, and she needs to write a lot of time. Shegive sheget back really late, and the next day she won't listen to the class because she want to sleep very good. Okay, so we're going to say, we'll put this into a reason. Too much homework cuts into your your life, doesn't it? So too much homework cuts into your time at home. And can mean you eat late and even sleep late. So that is a reason that then then you're too tired. So it doesn't work, does it? So your all that homework doesn't work if you're too tired and can mean you eat late and even sleep late. So our tired the next day. Lovely, lovely reasons. So too much homework is not good, actually makes you learn less is what Luna is saying. But enough homework can help you consolidate your learning. So the essence of the argument for affirmative, that would be Luna here would say students have so much homework to do, they do not have enough time for sports or other activities. So yours is equally as good, Luna. We can stick with yours, but it's not enough. So we want to develop yours. So we've done this before, haven't we? We're so ahead, girls. So where the point is what you're trying to say in one sentence. So Luna, do you think you could say this in a shorter way? Yes, yes, give it a go. A too much homework. Can let you eat late and even sleep late. It's too tired next day. Very good. Okay. So what I'm going to do is put that as a point. Cassie, you were waving your hands there. What was your suggestion? It's just going to say as same as Luna, same as Luna. Okay, so too much homework. Can, let's say, children or students, let's say students for school, too much homework can make students, let's just maybe say, sleep late and then not focus in class because they are too tired. Let's say tisleep late, maybe we'll add in a little one. Become tired and then not focus in class because you can't focus when you're tired. I can't focus when I'm tired. Can you focus when you're tired? I definitely can't. Okay. So and then you've got the explanation. So then we want to amplify what we want to say. We want na explain this. So with the explanation, imagine that you are a teacher and you're explaining this bit to a student because they say, I don't know what this means. What does it mean? So could one of you tell me, what does it mean? Okay. Yes, Kelsey, let me give you an example. If you, if you have too much homework, you will need to do it late to finish it all. The teacher will punish you then. Later, you finish. It's very late. So. Don't have enough, enough sleep, the next day, you are tired and you can't focus in class. Very good. Good. Did you want to add anything to that, Luna? Every day you need to wake up very. Every day you need to wake up the same time, but maybe every day you can't sleep at the same time. Very good. So let's let's combine both of your answers. So I'm gonna combine what Luna said and what Cassie said together. So let's put the students need to wake up early every morning. That's very and if students then Cassie said, are studying until late in the evening, they will not be sleeping enough. You need how many hours sleep do you need? Nine Oh Yeah, for you, it's more, isn't it? So you you need around nine. I need around personally, I need eight but some some adults can survive on seven. I don't know how, but yes, I think you need around nine or ten. Even so, if students are studying until late in the evening, they will not be sleeping enough hours and will not be able to work as well in class. This makes the homework a bit pointless, doesn't it? So the homework's there to help you, but actually it's making it worse. So we could add this here, so we'll add a Miss Amy as well. So we've got a bit from Luna, a bit from Cassie. This makes the homework pointless because. It is supposed to help students, but in fact, makes them more behind, in fact, makes them more behind in class. Okay, so very nice explanation there. And then we need some evidence. This is the fun part. So now there are ways of using AI. Have you ever used AI before? Yes, lovely. So you know how to use it in the right way and the way to use it. I'm going to bring you over here. So let me bring you to what I've got on my screen. There you go. So it's AI. It's exactly what's on the Internet is on AI. It's nothing different. So you're not cheating by looking at AI because it's just the Internet. The only difference is it finds everything much more quickly and puts it all together. So it finds all these thousands and millions and millions of things it can search in seconds and finds them and puts them together. The other thing you'll need to do is make sure you say, give me the quote or give me the reference. If you don't say that, it's just AI you need to have where they got the information from. So that's important for evidence. So I would write in here, give me evidence that students get too much homework and it makes them tired. So we have to put that bit at the beginning, give me evidence, because if he doesn't, then it's just going to be AI talking. But then it will find the part of the Internet and we should be able to check whether it's right. So there we go. It's thinking, thinking, thinking. My one shows me when it's thinking. Does your one show you when it's thinking? It shows me all the thoughts in its AI head. There you go. It's getting all the data there. Common Sense Media 20. Okay. So it's saying I'm going to find solid evidence. Okay, lovely. So it has found some evidence and the reason I know this is because of this little bit here. So that's important to say evidence and then you can look at where it got the information from. So this one, if I have a click on this, it should show me where it got. There you go. So there it got the evidence from research here. So that's very good. So let's see what it says on the first one. Cassie, can you read the first bullet point? Heavy, heavy night lives are common, and with schools and tie to stress and sleep loss. A Stanford study of 4316 students at high performing us high schools found the. I. About three point. One hours of homework per now night. 56% named homework their primary source of stress, and many reported. Sleep the. And other health problems. The office knows homework. Benefits tend to plan. About around about two hours. Good at difficult reading there because it's a research paper, so don't worry about some of those words. So sleep deprivation means not enough sleep. So they not getting enough sleep deprivation. Primary, like primary school is your first score. It means the first, the major, so the first source of stress. The biggest thing they have, these children have reported, they interviewed all these children, 4317 students. And the children said they do three hours, or more than three hours of homework per night. And they have also said they are not sleeping. So this is good research because they actually spoke to the students and did the research, and they're also getting stressed. This part at the end that you read it said the benefits of homework, the good things about homework. They only last for two hours. If you have to study over two hours, that means your brain begins to shut down. So that's what they're saying there. So two hours is okay. Three is too much and students are not sleeping. So do you have a lot of homework at your scores? That's good. That's good. It's a manageable good. Good. I'm glad to hear that. And and you're always very bright and cheerful, so I'm guessing you're not tired. So that makes sense. Stanford Research shows the pitfalls of homework. So it got all the information from this one where they interviewed some students, and they have to interview a lot of students so that it's proper research. So let's have a look at the name of this website. It's called the Stanford Report. So that's what you need to say in your evidence. You would say the Stanford Report. Found that and then you can just copy. So the stanamford report found that 400, 4317 students that did three hours of homework per night reported sleep deprivation. You can just copy. If you want to put that in your own words, that's also fine. So I'm gonna to put that in our own words. So I'm going to say the Stanford Report. So you need to always say where you got your evidence from. Found that when it interviewed 4317 students, they said they did three hours. So lot, isn't it homework per night. And 56%, that's quite a big said. They are not getting enough sleep. So that's a way to say it in my words. So there's your evidence. So evidence usually has numbers like 56% and 4317 and that makes it more credible. And there are studies. So then you'll go to the last part. So let's have a look here. We've ticked off point. Well done. We've done the explanation. Well done. And then you want to link it all back to what you've just said. Yes, Cassie, last time you just told us how to do the p, not the p. That's right. Yes, that's it. Yes. So there's lots of versions. In fact, some have pee, some you do pee l like this one, some do an even longer one petal, and some do, Oh, what's the other one? Pee l, so but they're all basically the same thing. They're always to help you say a longer paragraph with more detail, and we'll do the link. So this one is new, as you've said. So let's do the link because it is part of this lesson. And the link you just go right back to the motion. So that's written wrong. So let's have a look at the motion again. If we go back here, students have too much homework and they don't have Oh, okay, let me do that one because that's what we've focused on a bit more, isn't it? Schools give too much homework. Okay. So if I put this here as our motion and for the link, what you need to do is just go right back and talk about that and say, okay, this put this together with this, together with this to answer this. So I'm gonna na say link this evidence means and then I'm going to say a little bit about the evidence that students are not happy with too much homework. And losing sleep, that's a little bit from this one. So I'm gonna to go, okay, done a little bit from this one, then I'm gonna to do a little bit from this one. They wake up too early. So let's say need to wake up early. And then let's do a little bit from this one. And they're not focused. You can choose anything you like and are unfocused in class. Where do we? And are unfocused in class. And then you're going to go to the motion. This tells us that schools give too much homework. This tells us that, or you can give something even more persuasive. It is undeniable. That schools give too much. Homework. So there is your pel. So the first one is your point, the thing you want to say. The second one you explain it like you're a teacher, explain your point and then you need to get evidence from the Internet usually and then you're gonna to link it all together. So that goes with that goes with that. And then the main thing, so there we go. We've got a beautiful answer there. Let's try and read it out. We'll do one inch. Okay, Cassie, can you read the whole thing point? Too much homework can make students sleep late, become tired, and then not focus in class. Students need to wake up early every morning. If students are studying until late in the evening, they will not be sleeping enough hours and will not be able to work out as well in class. This makes the homework gooness because it is supposed to help students, but in fact make them more behind. The Stanford Report found that when interviewed 4317 students, they said that they did three hours of homework, had not, and 56% said they are not getting enough sleep. This evidence means that students are not help happy with too much homework and losing sleep. Need they need to wake up early and are focused in class. It is undenable that schools give too much homework. Lovely. And you're battling some hiccups there as well. So well done. So I'm well done for noticing. I've missed. Are they fantastic? They need to wake up early. Fantastic. Okay, so that is a beautiful point, a beautiful argument. So this all counts as one argument. You might use these in school for writing paragraphs. You can imagine it as saying a paragraph. So it's just a way to say everything without repeating yourself. Well done girls, both of you. Okay, so then we've got this one. I think we'll do a little bit of this and then we'll go to our argument. This house would to make all scores co educational. Do you remember what co educational? Okay, so co educational means boys and girls together at school. If it's only girls there or only boys, those are single sex schools. Co educational is mixed. What kind of school do you two go to? Do you go to boys and girls or only girls? Mixed? Okay, mixed. I went to an only girl school. So I went to a mixed primary and then an only girls high school. And I would say I think I prefer mixed because you know I'm not sure it was too good for me to be with only girls all the time. Okay, so this one here is a way to say the Peill with this one now house would make all schools co educational. All schools should be boys and girls like your ones. All right, now we'll let Cassie get over her hiccups. So this one is co educational and that means both sexes, girls and boys. Gender is like A J gender. Gender means boys or girls or females or males. Okay, can you read the first one, Luna? This time. Can co educational? Educational schools, schools help children to learn how to get on with the. Opsite gender very good. You're getting better with your reading. Well done Luna. Opposite but gender well done for gender. Okay, so they help you to get on with boys and girls. They help you learn how to be with both. Okay. And I'm going to give I can see you've got a bit of a cough there, Cassie. And you've also read a lot. So we'll go to we'll stick with Luna for this one. So we've got here gender again, let's see opposite this dvantage. Is this one here? So can you read this one? Lunar disadvantage is the vvery good. And that one is gender like before. That's opposite like before. And then you've got that again, opposite and gender. Okay, can you read the explanation? If children spent all their time at school with their own gender, they will never understand the opposite gender. This will. Seriously, seriously disavantaged them in later life when they will have to live and work with people of the opposite gender. Very good, though this person is saying you need to be with boys and girls, because otherwise when you get a job when you're older, you won't know how to work with the opposite. If it's only boys, you won't know how to work with girls. If it's only girls, you won't know how to work with boys. This one, the evidence is something they are making you think about because they didn't it didn't look like they got it like we did in the same way. Actually, we got better evidence because we did AI and we asked for the source. But you can do this also, you can say, try to make people think of a story or an idea for evidence. So what is their idea or their story? Educated. That's a bit like A J. So let's say educated, educated and then the next one. Assert assert means to to tell people you mean business. So as. Like that. Oh no, as art like that, as art like that. So ascert means being confident and being confident to say when you know something is wrong. So you might say, actually, I this girl, she made me feel bad. And you want to be confident and tell her, no, you've just made me feel bad. That will be asserting yourself. Okay, let's try this Luna. So a woman who has been educated entirely in girls schools. Woman who has been educated entry in school, schools will find it very hard to assert herself if she ends up working in a minated profession. Had she had, she had years of having to do this, should would be much better prepared. Good. What do you think they mean by this? Luna? Or. It means that a woman went to a school that only has girls, then she, she went outside to work with boys, but she can't. Work with them because she only works with girls. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. If he had, she went to a school that has boys and girls, she would be much prepared better. Yeah, exactly. Fantastic. It's exactly what it means. So it says she went to work with a place with mostly men, male dominated, and she was unable to assert herself. She was unable to say to the men, sorry, you're wrong. Sometimes they were wrong and she couldn't say it because she was a little bit afraid. And they said if she went to the boys and girls school, she wouldn't be afraid. So schools should be preparing children for life. And single sex schools obviously do not do this. This is why they should not be allowed to exist. So that's one person's opinion. Okay, so how many arguments do you need? Usually I would say, now I know that you two are very good with your pee and your peel. Now hopefully. So if you give two really nice long paragraphs of peels, I'm okay with that because sometimes that's, it takes a long time to say all this and to explain this and it's a nice detailed argument. So I would say around about two if you want to, if you have enough time, you could do four. So two to four arguments, two to four peels is really what I would say. Okay, so let's go to today's debate now. So try, if you can to do appeal with your arguments. I know that I've just put this on you today, so we'll probably hear more of that next week. Okay, so we should eat less meat. Luna is affirmative. Luna, are you feeling ready? Ready? Fantastic. And I'm going to type what you say so that Cassie can rebutt it afterwards as well. I'll bring you down to the peel just so you can see that there. And let's also bring this down. Copy? Can I copy? Yes, I can. There we go. Let's put this just under here. Okay, so I'm gonna bring the timer up for four minutes as usual. Take your time. Pste yourself. Remember your introduction. And three, two, one. Good evening, judges and audience. My name is Selina. Today I will give two main points. Eating less meat helps animals and the environment, and eating less meat is good for the human health. First, eating less meat helps animals and the environment. Humans keep animals in small, crowded cages. The conditions are very bad. Humans eat lots of chickens. According to the report of F A O, about 64 billion chickens are raised each year. Many are trapped in small cakes. They are not happy and can't even spread their wings. People eat more meat now, so farms raised more animals. This is also bad for the environment. Animals fought a lot, which makes global warming worse. For example, people eat, for example, people eat lots of beef. So farms have many cows. Cows fa lot, and their faults have mesthane, which warms the earth. Now the earth gets hotter every year. So I suggest eating less meat. Second, eating less meat is good for human health. It helps your body stay strong, keeps you from getting sick easily, gives you more daily energy, and it's better for your heart. For example, former us President Bill Clinton had heart surgery in 2000, then four after. After that, he eat less meat and even became vegan. Soon his blood test improved, he had more energy, and his heart got healthier. The other side might say that humans need meat for protein, but we can get protein from beans, drink sowmilk, and eat nuts and eggs to get enough protein. In conclusion, eating less meat is common to animals, good for the environment and great for our health. Therefore, the motion should stand. Thank you. Very good. Good for the environment and better for help. Okay. I'm just writing up those very good reasons there. What I really like about this one is how you explained in detail about the chickens, because that gives you a really horrible image. And that persuades me, because you give me this image of these poor chickens who can't even spread their wings. And that made me feel sad, and that persuades me, that makes me think, Oh my gosh, I don't want to, I don't want to put an animal through that. So Luna said, we should eat less meat for two main reasons. It helps the animals in the environment, and also it's better for your health. She said, humans keep animals in crowded cages. We eat too much chicken. 64 billion chickens per year are killed. They are unhappy and they can't spread their wings. She also mentioned the environment and the cofarts. And Bill Clinton. Well done. I didn't know that about Bill Clinton. I remember when he was president many years ago, he became vegan and his health became a lot better. So very nice reasons there. I'll put them all here so you can see them. Cassie, okay. There we go. So you're going to try and rebut some of these and also well done for trying to cover the opposite teams. Mreasons, so you said about protein, and that's gonna to be a little difficult for Cassie now because you said actually we can get protein from beans and eggs and soy milk. So she's tried to cover the opposite argument, which was a good thing to do, a very clever thing to do. Okay. So Cassie, now you're going to say I disagree. One, 23. Good evening, Georges and audience. My name is Cassie. Today I will give two main points. One, meat provides key source ces of nutrients such as protein, orange and thick, which is and sense. Essenfor growth and took eating meat is normal. It's part of many families, habits and cultures. Firstly, meat provides iron sinand protetates, which means healthier bodies and stronger muscles, and it's easier for bodies to take it. Instead of plant protein, we should have a balanced diet, especially children who are growing. Moreover, if you reduce meat and don't replace the nutrients nutreats, you might get sick more often. In many royal or pastoro areas, fruiting vegetables is hard to obtain. For example, parts of Africa or Central Asia, meat is often cheaper and easier to keep. If people were to eat less meat, there's no many good food to fill in. Just like for lots of people meters a comfort food, if you tell them to eat less, it may lead to feelof. The Prowhich can make long term didietary changes harder to stick to. Sometimes it makes people eat too much and healthy things, which is worse for health. Secondly, do you remember in the western culture, they eat stuffed pretty during thanksgiving and Christmas? Or do you remember in the Chinese culture, we eat dumplings with meat and ducduring a Chinese New year? Do you really think we can eat less memeat during these days? No. This kind of ehad been passed, used down for years, for even centuries. If we eat less, we will feel like we're losing something important, like the wf of sitting down to a familiar meal. Every time I eat my mother's secret recipe, I'll think of my grandma, grandpa. My mother told me that her dad told her how to cook this secret recipe. Every time grandpa comes to the back, he will cook this for us. But other side might say that eating meat will cause negative impacts on the environment, but we can choose sustainable meat or seafood, and and it can even save the whole cycle. For example, if there's a small mountain in your faryou can make some place for the cows. Half of it is a river and half of it is Green grass. In a middle Dow, there's a tree the cow can put under the tree or in the water. The while the poop make the tree grow better, the poop and the river goes down to the pond, which has fish. Then the fish can eat the poop for dinner. In conclusion, meat meat healthier people more warm and better reccycle faiful the motion trips and thank you for listening. Lovely. Well done. Some good arguments that fantastic. Okay, so I have Oh I missed off the end a bit. So I'm gonna just copy your answers there. And it's a harder one to argue against. So you did very well with that. So those words that you're looking at there, they're a little bit hard to pronounce, our nutrients, all the things our body needs. So we had the argument from Cassie that is natural and part of many cultures. What I really liked about yours was that end part where you really talk. There's a rule emotive language. You talked about the cultures eating during celebrations and the recipes that are passed down from generation to generation to generation. And that's really emotive. That makes you feel something. So I don't know if you know, but you did use emotive language there. And that's a good persuasive technique because it makes you think this is your roots, it's your culture. So it gives you a sense of your roots and your culture. And that is absolutely so cutting out that would be cutting out almost a part of yourself, wouldn't it? So this is also a good argument. Sustainable meat and seafood. Do you know what the word sustainable means? Either of you. Yes Cait means it means that meat that is not very like maybe cows that don't really not really bad. That's right. It's something you can keep going. So sustainable means something you can keep going without it harming anything. So that's what you hear the word a lot with food, but it's not just with food. It could be a you've got sustainable energy as well. So sustainable electricity, something we can keep using again and again and again, and it's not going to harm the environment. So you have these things on the roof now. Do they have those in China, the solar panels? So this is a new, we don't have many, I have to say, because our houses are so old in the uk, but some people have these solar panels on the roof, and the solar panels catture the light from the sun, and the light powers electricity. And that's called sustainable energy. You can keep using it. The sun is not going to die, I hope so. The sun is going to keep giving the energy. It's sustainable and it doesn't harm anything. And there are sustainable ways to eat meat. You are right. And actually there's an argument to say that we shouldn't completely stop, because actually that would destroy parts of the environment and the ecosystem. We need cows. We need sheep in the world. We need all these animals in the world. And we also need to eat them. And those animals need to eat other things. So there are ways of keeping the system going and maybe veganism is not the answer. So very good arguments on both sides there. Very interesting. I'm always interested in this because a lot of people in the uk have turned vegan. I haven't. So I always have to. I always have to get my arguments ready. So you've helped me with that one. Okay, so what we'll do is have a look at next weeks and we'll start to prepare a few arguments. Okay, so this one is digital art, just as worthy of regard as classical paintings. Tricky. So what this means is which one is the digital art, do you think, in this picture? That's it. Yeah, yes, I can see you pointing that way. This is the digital art, and this is more classic art, but what it means, worthy of regard. So have you ever been to a famous art gallery or museum before? All right. And do you know any names of famous painters from the past? No, we've got Picasso. He's the one that does all the really bright, colorful abstract art. So I'll show you some pictures from some of these artists. You've got Picasso. You've got Rembrandt is another very famous classical painter from centuries ago. These people were from a long time ago. They are deadnell. You've also got Vincent van Goff. Have you heard of him? Vincent van Gogh. Okay, I'll get you some paintings for yes, I remember there's a painthat cut his ear off. That was him. Yes, that was van Goff. He he had some mental health problems, like a lot of artists unfortunately, but that makes them great at that art. And he cut his ear off. That was Vincent van Goff. So he was a very famous painter, very, very well regarded. You've also got Leonardo da Vinci, and he did the Mona Lisa, which you can see in Paris. So somebody just tried to steal it. In fact, did you see that on the news? Some people got into the art gallery and tried to steal it. So Picasso, Rembrandt, Vincent van Gogh, Leonardo da Vinci, these are all the classical artists. I'll give you one of Picasso's most famous, let me get a picture for you. He has, he did things like this, a quite beautiful, I think, but some people don't like his style. So he did lots of things like this. And then you've got yes and then you've got let's do van Goff. He did the famous sunflowers. So van Goff and he was a tortured soul. So this was one of his most famous pieces. And here we go sunflowers. So if you ever, this one is in the uk, if you ever come to the uk, you can come and see this painting. Some of them are in different parts of Europe. Okay, so there you go. So yes, that's it. Right? And so you've got these paintings from Picasso, from van Goff, you've got Leonardo da Vinci's most famous is the Mona Lisa. And the big argument about the Mona Lisa is why is she smiling? Or is she smiling at all? So that was the one. Yes, you know that one. So that's the Mona Lisa. Many, many centuries ago this was painted. We don't know much about the lady. We don't know why she's smiling, if she's smiling. So those are classical artists. This is classic art, and this is regarded very highly. People think it's very high level art because it's so old. If you wanted to buy one, you're not allowed to buy them. And even even Elon Musk is not allowed to buy any of these. They have to be really protected in museums because they are so old. So if you want to buy one, should we have a look at the value. Mona Lisa value, it would be a han 1 billion, 1 billion. So 100 billion for insurance and then 1 billion today. If you've got $1 billion, you can buy these things. So that is, these are the classical artists. And people think of them on a very high level. You can't even buy them. That's how high level they are. And people go to visit them. People learn about centuries ago, the history, but we have new artists now, digital artists. And these digital artists, let's have a look at some of these. I don't know any digital artists, in fact. So I'm gon na have a look it up. These digital artists have made things like. This one here. Okay, let's just do this. And how do you think they make the art? Yes, so it's all done on computer with technology. And the digital artists are saying, why do you not like our art or think our art is as high level as these ones? So that's right. So yes, there are definite reasons and they are definitely different. But these artists say, Hey, we spent a long time also. We put lots of our heart and soul into this also. We you should think it's high level also. So that is the argument. Is digital art just as worthy of regard as classical paintings? So Cassie, you have a difficult one. You're going to start and say, yes, it is. So you'll need to look up some digital artists and Luna, you're gonna to say no. The classical artists are always going to be the highest level and better. Maybe you look at the skills, maybe you look at how they do the art, what their art is about, things like that. All right, girls, lovely to see you. A really good lesson from you both. And I look forward to seeing you next week. Bye bye bye bye bye, bye bye, thank you.